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Older house verses newer house, which is better?

by John Rice

I often get asked by buyers if they should buy an older house or a newer house. My usual response is to say that it depends on what kind of problems they want to have. I get crazy looks when I say that, but it is just my way of telling people that all houses will have problems. Basically, it is your house verses Mother Nature and Father Time.

I have lived in both older and newer houses all my life. When I was a kid, I went from a 1910ish four square to a 3-year-old ranch. Next, my parents bought a house in Kenwick  from the 1930’s. My first house was built around 1915. My second was 1973.  Then a 10 year old home. Then 26 year old home. All of them had their own set of issues.

There seems to be this misconception that old houses were built better. True, MOST were built with more care than today’s homes are. I say most because my first house, the one built around 1915, was nowhere near as well-built as my parent’s Kenwick house from the 1930’s.

Another misconception is that people think any old house is better than any new/newer house is today. After living in a lot of old houses and showing a bunch to my clients, I can tell you that what it comes down to is maintenance. Even the best built house from yesterday will be nothing but trouble today if somebody didn’t keep it up. An older house has been in the ring with both Mother Nature and Father Time for more rounds than a newer house.

The new house misconception is that they won’t last as long as an old house. I use to think that until my parents bought a 150+ year old farm-house. Their house started out as a 2 room timber structure.  Then a porch was added on the back which was later converted to be a kitchen. Then a new porch was added to the side of the kitchen which later became the new kitchen and the old kitchen became a dining room. Then somebody added a second story over the original structure. Then came a second story over the original porch/current dining room. My attitude now is that if my parents house can defy all building codes and even gravity a little, any new house should last just as long. 

Here are some of the common older house issues: Inadequate electrical, plumbing, insulation, lack of maintenance, and poorly done improvements at the fault of previous owners.

New/Newer house issues: Rushed construction by unskilled/uncaring workers sums it all up the best. I have a friend whose house was practically rebuilt after a fire. It had no insulation on one side of the house. On a previous 10 year old house I owned, poor mortar joints on a brick window sill allowed water to run down the inside of the brick veneer and rot some of the sill plate. I only found it out when I did the demo for the new tile floor. If today’s workers would apply to their trade the same care they use to draw naked women in the potapotties, we would have the best built houses of all time!

Occasionally I do see both a really well-built newer home and a fantastic older home. I used to represent a builder who did a great job of making decisions that the buyer wouldn’t even begin to appreciate for years to come. He did a lot of little things that exceeded minimum code. I remember selling an older house that had been well maintained and had recently been overhauled by a good contractor. That combination made it a pretty unique older home and a good pick. I guess that buyer got the best of both worlds and none of the negatives.

It is rare, but this is the ideal type of sale

by John Rice

You know, we always think about the buyer for a house being somebody who wants the location, loves the house, or both, right? But there is another reason a buyer might pick your house among all the other competing listings. It is something I have only see happen 3 times in my 21 year career. It is when the buyer is a neighbor or the house is located next to a family member.

I recently sold a 7 acre parcel with a nice smaller home in Wilmore Kentucky. It got lots of showings. The location was great. The biggest issue was that it was a one bathroom house. Having sold a lot of rural property, I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody would want it. It was a lot of land for the price despite the smaller one bathroom house. We ended up getting an acceptable cash offer from somebody who owned land that adjoined this property.

I had a listing in a rural neighborhood in Madison County a couple of years ago. The place was so cool that I was thinking about buying it. It had a giant two car garage in the basement plus a HUGE detached two car garage with a loft. I was thinking of all the cars I could put in there. The buyer told us at the closing that they were moving here from out of state to be close to a relative that lived within walking distance of this house.

The last one of these I had was maybe 4-5 years ago. The market was crazy hot. This house was in a very prestigious part of Lexington on a well known road. I ended up getting several offers on it. All the offers had escalation clauses which means all the buyers agreed to pay a certain amount more than other buyers up to a fixed amount. Well, we got an offer that was $25k MORE than the highest maximum on any of those other offers. I wondered why the buyer’s realtor chose to do that. If they had used an escalation clause it could have saved the buyer some money. Turns out the buyer’s sister lived next door and that was the only reason for the move.

The wonderful thing about these types of sales are that the buyers are not looking at any other house. There is no “We will find another one if this doesn’t work out”. It is their only choice and they are not only going to pay the most, but also be the least likely to walk away after a home inspection.

Negotiating is a lot like playing poker

by John Rice

When I was a little kid, my dad had this old set of poker chips. There were red, white and blue ones built into a little round thing with a handle on top. I remember playing poker as a pre-teen with my friends. I also remember winning a lot. I didn’t do it by bluffing or anything that actually had anything to do with the game itself. What I got good at was studying my friends. It’s pretty darn easy to win when you can tell if your pals have a good hand or not. My dad always told me I was pretty good at reading people and seeing their motives. That has been a useful skill in my career as a realtor. 

I remember a sale many years ago with a great realtor. He did everything he should have done. My clue about the buyer’s motivation was the closing date.  It was the Friday before school started back after Christmas break. Sure, most real estate deals close on a Friday. What made this one stand out to me was how soon it was. Not the usual 30-45 days out. This one was just about 2.5 weeks out. So, I hit Facebook, and sure enough there was a person with the same name with school aged kids who lived in the same surrounding town that was on the check for the earnest money. I also knew that most seller’s wouldn’t want to be moving out of their home the week between Christmas and New Year’s Day. We stood firm and got our price.

I had another deal like that. My listing was in the only neighborhood in its price range to have the very desirable school district that it did. We got an offer so low that we didn’t even counter. The buyer’s realtor told us the reason for the low offer was due to the perceived poor condition of the house. I figured they must really want to be in this school district. I mean, there were tons of new/newer houses within walking distance of this one, but they were in a different school district. I don’t know why somebody would pick a house they didn’t like that much when they can get a better house for the same money. It had to be school district. I went online to see what all choices this buyer had in that school district. The only other house was one with a crazy steep driveway…….so I knew we could hold firm to our price. We did and we got it, despite the other realtor’s great effort to get it for less.

From the lines of that old Kenny Rogers song, “You gotta know when to hold ’em.  Know when to fold ’em.  Know when to walk away.  Know when to run.”

Is a view worth less if it is not as good?

by John Rice

I was driving through the new Peninsula neighborhood the other day. It is over off Richmond Road and backs to the reservoir. I could see the back of the houses on Dew Court, Rain Court and Coolwater Court. For decades the owners of those house have had a rare and fantastic view of the water and the woods where there are now these new houses.

But that has changed. The water is still there of course. The woods are gone.

Question is this: Are those older houses worth less since the view is not as good?

To those owners who have enjoyed the “Old” view, I am sure it is not as good now. They probably think these new houses have impacted the value of their homes. I totally get that vibe. I dealt with something similar. I used to have a peek-a-boo view of the Greenbrier Golf Course from my last home. Across the fairway was a beautiful hillside full of trees. About 6 months after I moved in, I heard bulldozers clearing the hillside. Now there is a neighborhood there. While I did not like the new view as much as the old one, it was still a view. It just didn’t extend past the golf course now.

And that is exactly what the 1980s houses have. They still have a fabulous water view. I mean, the new houses are going to be extremely desirable being on the water and they have the houses from the 80s on the other side of the water in their view. There is no reason to think that somehow the market is going to like the 1980s houses less because they now have a view of the new houses across the water, right?

Something else to consider. Whenever the 1980s houses come up for sale in the furture, no buyer is going to know that the view was better before the new neighborhood was built. All they will know is what is currently there, which is a very rare water view.

Is it turning to a Buyer’s Market?

by John Rice

Short answer: It depends on the house.

Long answer: I read an article this morning asking this same question. It had all the usual data in any article related to the nationwide real estate market. Average days on market, Average sale price compared to previous years, the number of listings compared to previous years……blah blah blah.

None of that really matters. Why? Because no two houses and no two markets are the same. There is no average house. Average means a composite of all data. It does not look at each house individually. Do you know who does look at each house individually? Buyers do.

A buyer looks at every house within their budget and decides which one they want to buy. Let’s say they look at 10 houses. They are only buying one so they pick the best one. Do you know what else happens? Usually every buyer in that same price range also picks the same best one. That means we have multiple buyers competing for the best houses on the market. Meanwhile, the rest of the houses sit there and dilute all those averages so the media can make illogical conclusions to share with the world.

I have been a realtor for 20 years. It was a Seller’s Market when I started. Then a Buyer’s Market. Then an EXTREME Buyer’s Market. Then a stable market. Then it slowly built into the strongest Seller’s Market ever. Now, more than ever, we sort of have two markets. If you want the best house in the best neighborhood, you better be prepared to go over the list price and be flexible on anything important to the seller. If you are not picky, make a low offer on one of those houses that nobody else has wanted. After 20 years of this, I can tell you that when you go to sell whatever house you decide to buy, picking the best one will always have been the wisest decision. The best houses will always be worth the most, be the easiest to sell, and will have the broadest appeal.